I dont know why Werewolf is such a touchy subject anyway

Delta Wolfman wrote:

Varulfur wrote:

I dont know why Werewolf is such a touchy subject anyway

It's not sexy. And you can't sexify werewolves as easily as you can vampires.

A guy who turns violently into a big hairy wolf like creature every month isn't as appealing as vampires are or ironically pop culturally accepted like zombies. As well as all the torture porn and blue asian ghosts that have been popping up.

Also, werewolves are almost always tragic figures. At least from the stand point of the classic story theme of "mild mannered man is bitten by wolf, is cursed and kills innocent people against his will." Nobody these days likes that. They like vampires. Fully aware of what they are, and have accepted it to the fullest(apart from Louis in Interview with a Vampire). Nobody likes the tragic figure, the one doomed to a fate that can't be helped. They don't like emotional and mental conflict.

And, you can't dilute werewolves like you can vampires(ie, Twilight). Werewolves are werewolves. What's in Twilight isn't a werewolf, it's a shape shifter that happens to be a wolf. That's sexy. He can, apparently, do it any time he wants.

Werewolf stories are true, classic horror and werewolves are true, classic horror monsters.

People don't like complexity, basically.

I couldn't express it better than you did... you can see an "opposite" example: in AAWIP they could cure their licanthropy killing "the bad guy", and IMHO that was one of the main factors that ruined the movie (well, and the CGI, the awful acting, the lame script, etc...).

A few more thoughts...

There is also something to say for hollywood vampires getting more spotlight because their characterizations tend to blend in with humans better and allow more options for particpation in the daily drama, plot twists, and humor that affect mankind.  Hollywood werewolves, on the other hand, are more often left with the chore of concealing their conditions and dealing with proximity to innocent victims that could result in violence.  Those mechanics provide less appeal and innovation to attract mainstream audiences, and make for more predictable plots imo.  There are so many more films showing vampires outed and walking freely among society than the same with werewolves.  Teen Wolf 1 and 2 are the only ones I can think of, but the lesson learned in both of those films was to still repress the wolf and become self reliant as a human.

On a side note, the 'Something With Bite' episode of the 'Fear Itself' series was fun to watch and explored some angles of lycanthropy that were a bit different from the norm, though it was obvious little budget was put into the fx.

zockereinstein wrote:

Delta Wolfman wrote:

Varulfur wrote:

I dont know why Werewolf is such a touchy subject anyway

It's not sexy. And you can't sexify werewolves as easily as you can vampires.

A guy who turns violently into a big hairy wolf like creature every month isn't as appealing as vampires are or ironically pop culturally accepted like zombies. As well as all the torture porn and blue asian ghosts that have been popping up.

Also, werewolves are almost always tragic figures. At least from the stand point of the classic story theme of "mild mannered man is bitten by wolf, is cursed and kills innocent people against his will." Nobody these days likes that. They like vampires. Fully aware of what they are, and have accepted it to the fullest(apart from Louis in Interview with a Vampire). Nobody likes the tragic figure, the one doomed to a fate that can't be helped. They don't like emotional and mental conflict.

And, you can't dilute werewolves like you can vampires(ie, Twilight). Werewolves are werewolves. What's in Twilight isn't a werewolf, it's a shape shifter that happens to be a wolf. That's sexy. He can, apparently, do it any time he wants.

Werewolf stories are true, classic horror and werewolves are true, classic horror monsters.

People don't like complexity, basically.

I couldn't express it better than you did... you can see an "opposite" example: in AAWIP they could cure their licanthropy killing "the bad guy", and IMHO that was one of the main factors that ruined the movie (well, and the CGI, the awful acting, the lame script, etc...).

You can totally make werewolves sexy. Twilight really is  a great example (bookwise) and Skinwalkers (storywise) is a great example. Instead of "love making" it be rough making, if you know waht I mean.

Anyway the reason why there aren't many werewolf movies is b/c the ones that have been done only a handful has a good look to them. It's too expensive and even then some of the electronic facial movements can look silly these days.

Well the werewolves in Twilight which arnt werewolves at all there skinwalkers thats why im never going to see the Twilight movies.

WereWolfH wrote:

zockereinstein wrote:

Delta Wolfman wrote:

It's not sexy. And you can't sexify werewolves as easily as you can vampires.

A guy who turns violently into a big hairy wolf like creature every month isn't as appealing as vampires are or ironically pop culturally accepted like zombies. As well as all the torture porn and blue asian ghosts that have been popping up.

Also, werewolves are almost always tragic figures. At least from the stand point of the classic story theme of "mild mannered man is bitten by wolf, is cursed and kills innocent people against his will." Nobody these days likes that. They like vampires. Fully aware of what they are, and have accepted it to the fullest(apart from Louis in Interview with a Vampire). Nobody likes the tragic figure, the one doomed to a fate that can't be helped. They don't like emotional and mental conflict.

And, you can't dilute werewolves like you can vampires(ie, Twilight). Werewolves are werewolves. What's in Twilight isn't a werewolf, it's a shape shifter that happens to be a wolf. That's sexy. He can, apparently, do it any time he wants.

Werewolf stories are true, classic horror and werewolves are true, classic horror monsters.

People don't like complexity, basically.

I couldn't express it better than you did... you can see an "opposite" example: in AAWIP they could cure their licanthropy killing "the bad guy", and IMHO that was one of the main factors that ruined the movie (well, and the CGI, the awful acting, the lame script, etc...).

You can totally make werewolves sexy. Twilight really is  a great example (bookwise) and Skinwalkers (storywise) is a great example. Instead of "love making" it be rough making, if you know waht I mean.

Anyway the reason why there aren't many werewolf movies is b/c the ones that have been done only a handful has a good look to them. It's too expensive and even then some of the electronic facial movements can look silly these days.

I don't care what anyone says. The wolfcreatures in twilight aren't werewolves. They're shapeshifters.

Delta Wolfman wrote:

I don't care what anyone says. The wolfcreatures in twilight aren't werewolves. They're shapeshifters.

Not that it makes any difference what you call them, the FX needed stays the same.

Delta Wolfman wrote:

It's not sexy. And you can't sexify werewolves as easily as you can vampires.

Actually, when you think about it the huge popularity of werewolves in Paranormal Romance/Paranormal Erotic novels seems to indicate differently. And Howling was nothing short of sexy, so it's more of a problem with what you can sell the studio bosses and yeah, Vampires have a greater mass appeal (and they are cheaper FX wise) when it comes to movies.

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Black Shuck wrote:

If they start making werewolves sparkle, that's it. I'm done. There's no hope for the world if it includes sparkling werewolves

Did ya not see Blood & Chocolate?

Delta Wolfman wrote:

It's not sexy. And you can't sexify werewolves as easily as you can vampires.

Very, very true. The majority of vamps glower sexily, bare their fangs and bite you on the neck. That's it. A great majority of werewolves try to glower sexily, end up screaming their heads off, then bare their fangs, sprout a ton of fur and rips your guts out.

Delta Wolfman wrote:

Nobody likes the tragic figure, the one doomed to a fate that can't be helped. They don't like emotional and mental conflict.

Untrue. Emotional and mental conflict is a key component of drama.

Delta Wolfman wrote:

And, you can't dilute werewolves like you can vampires(ie, Twilight). Werewolves are werewolves. What's in Twilight isn't a werewolf, it's a shape shifter that happens to be a wolf. That's sexy. He can, apparently, do it any time he wants.

So can a large number of werewolves in movies and the written word. Any dude who changes into a wolf, no matter how, technically falls under the definition of werewolf. Because he's a man who turns into a wolf. A man-wolf.

WEREWOLF!

Delta Wolfman wrote:

People don't like complexity, basically.

Also not true. I LOVE complexity!

What made the first one so memorable is the anguish the wolf portrayed and the fact the wolf stands upright. I am a fan of the run around on all fours kind but I can't deny the two legged kind to be creepy as well. Should be an interesting film hopefully they don't go too crazy with the effects because I believed that is also what made the original so well played out. I am also loving the fact they know who the wolf is too

That's...a...terrible...thought...

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi992805401/ here's the latest trailer for it.