Topic please.

No problem, I just try to keep the werewolf related forums on track where I can, to help people who use this site for research.

I personally believe that werewolves and other supernaturals exist.  If you stop and think about it, in a way it does make sense.  You have people who seem to work better with animals than other and then there are some that can't go near certian animals. And because of that the animal ends up running from them or attacking them in a way of defending themselves, as if the human near them were a predetor. But *shrugs* that's my opinion.
Then there are some animals that have behavior instincs that lean tword being human or they show more intelligence than the average animal.  And people wonder why pets and animals do the things they do...honestly I don't think they want to know.

I knew a horse.  She had lived with another horse who was stolen away at night by dark-haired white male rustlers.  She became leery of dark-haired white men and would not let humans get near enough to touch her after sundown.

Two-legs can be difficult to trust.

I think Momma gonna give us'n's a good rightious bum-whuppin' soon.

I'm a little sceptic on the topic of them.  i've found ALOT of things that i never thought to be possible... but for three years i've looked for them, as you guys know i've been to europe in search.  Dug into lore, possible sitings and what not, but being on the trail to find one for three years with little sign, i'm beginning to believe it's just fiction.  Regardless, i; like many, am a truth seeker.  I need to find them.  For now i'm a school goer, i'll pick up the search later.
  got a real reality to tend to.  if you guys find any leads or sitings.. toss me an email   hahah but yeah i want to believe but i'm not sure right now... i'm agnostic

Actually, given what we know about the universe (or our local region) there are things that can be proven - but they can be proven mathematically. for instance, the maximum speed in the universe is absolute. You can't go faster than the speed of light. There's nothing mystical about that - speed is mathematically asymptotic.

in a storm spotter's class the other night, a lady asked how long it will be before we can say, "a tornado will touch down at this spot next Tuesday at 3:35 pm." The instructor said, "a long, long time."

That's the wrong answer. The correct answer is "never". We know enough about chaos now to understand that we will never be able to make long term scientific predictions of certain phenomenon at any useful level of accuracy.

WolfVanZandt wrote:

We know enough about chaos now to understand that we will never be able to make long term scientific predictions of certain phenomenon at any useful level of accuracy.

The wisest know enough to know that they don't know much at all.

To the original topic - and though I've answered this elsewhere.


Do I believe in werewolves?  Sort of.

But not really.


What I believe is that a legend was born long ago.  What that original legend was, has more to do with withcraft, so to speak, than lycanthropy, full moons, etc.  My recent research has demonstrated that there might be some cause-effect relationship between the legend and witchcraft, specifically witches' sabbath events.  I still have not thought through the logic of that connection, but feel its probably a matter of misperception of magic/witchcraft.  We tend to hate what we don't understand.

So, at some point in history, I believe someone witnessed a ritual wherein a transformation took place.  Perhaps long ago, when man was closer to nature, the ability to become a wolf or other creatures was a practice mankind had knowledge of.  This is supported by nearly universal beliefs by aboriginal peoples of shapeshifting of one form or another.

Time passed, and these abilities faded, or so I believe.  And mankind, along the way, lost touch with nature - as we all know.  But where modern "werewolf" legends began is from the dark ages, the inquisition, and later years.  These stories still circulated.  Witches were initially blamed, and my research seems to demonstrate that the rise of Christianity, which signalled the fall of paganism and thus our connection with nature (gee, what am I trying to say???) lead to a significant attack on paganism, which included blaming anything misunderstood on witchcraft.  Christians associated (blamed) anything they didn't understand, anything evil, on pagans.  These beliefs brought in the stories of transformation; which developed into stories of witches turning into wolves to get to Witches' Sabbath events (also known as Pagan holidays and gatherings...)

Later, these beliefs culminated in the 1400s.  At that time, a pretty widespread infection of rye crops by ergot created a big mess, and I believe occurred coincident with a widespread famine due to food shortage.  Rye is already the "poor people's wheat", so it affected lower class types, usually more prone to superstitions.  Throw wolf-dog hybrids taking kids from villages and eating them in the mix, along with the hallucinatory effects of ergot (same as the Salem Witch Trials in America hundreds of years later), and you have a rich history that built on the already present legends of witches turning into wolves.

And enter Hollywood.


The only part of the werewolf legends I believe is even possible, are the misunderstood transformations.  Given that these beliefs are shared by many aboriginal peoples - I have to believe they have some merit to them.  I believe that such a transformation hasn't taken place in hundreds, if not thousands of years, with possible exceptions by aboriginals, including native Americans.  I also believe I can achieve such a transformation.

Does it make me a "werewolf?"

No.  They simply don't exist as we are lead to believe they do, in my opinion.

Fuzzball wrote:

The wisest know enough to know that they don't know much at all.

Indeedly doodly.

Uh, have I answered this? I have to justify my post... I've read The Hunt for the American Werewolf, and some interesting sightings popped up in there that got me thinking. I believe that there's alot out there that most folks never get exposed to, so of course they don't believe it. I believe that science doesn't know everything. I believe in ghosts, because I've seen a few, I believe in a wide range supernatural oddities, because of what's happened to me. But I personally don't believe a bunch of folks are running around changing into wolves such as in the movies.

I do believe in therian werewolves. I do believe that the soul exists, and it's not too far a stretch for me to believe that someone could have the soul of a wolf.

WolfMontana wrote:

I do believe that the soul exists, and it's not too far a stretch for me to believe that someone could have the soul of a wolf.

Anyone going to check out Living With The Wolfman?