A Twilight movie growing a pair?

Yeah that'll happen the day after hell freezes over.

Yeah, but my point is that you shouldn't disregard the show because of the network. That's like blowing off Mad Men, Breaking Bad and the upcoming The Walking Dead just cause it's on AMC.

If the story's good, the show is worth the watch, no matter where the network.

Totally agree with you on MTV's track record. But, before Mad Men even debuted, that was the same question people asked about AMC. All they used to show was classic movies. Then they dumped that for more recent stuff with commercials before they started airing the show.

Another example: FX. All they used to show was lame movies and informercials before they debuted a little cop show called The Shield and pretty much laid the groundwork that edgy original shows can be shown on cable networks other than HBO and Showtime. And their record's been OK since then, with Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me, and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Now, I'm not comparing MTV to AMC or FX by any means, but just saying if the show's good or even somewhat respectable, it doesn't matter what network it's on. Will Teen Wolf be that show? Can't say. But from what I've seen and from what I've read, I'm at least gonna give it a view.

Yes even if it's on MTV.

MarkOne wrote:

Totally agree with you on MTV's track record. But, before Mad Men even debuted, that was the same question people asked about AMC. All they used to show was classic movies. Then they dumped that for more recent stuff with commercials before they started airing the show.

It's not the same question. What original series, movies, all around what kind of original production did AMC have before Mad Men? If I remember they had... nothing, really. Maybe a few forgotten television movies? Not much to base an opinion on that's for sure. MTV? The situation is hardly similar.

Another example: FX. All they used to show was lame movies and informercials before they debuted a little cop show called The Shield and pretty much laid the groundwork that edgy original shows can be shown on cable networks other than HBO and Showtime. And their record's been OK since then, with Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me, and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Okay, but FX doesn't have a near twenty year history of sucking horrifically.

Now, I'm not comparing MTV to AMC or FX by any means, but just saying if the show's good or even somewhat respectable, it doesn't matter what network it's on.

But when predicting the quality of an upcoming television show, is it really so unfair to look at a station's past programs?

Will Teen Wolf be that show? Can't say. But from what I've seen and from what I've read, I'm at least gonna give it a view.

So will I, I'm just expecting it to be awful.



Also, "kissable werewolves."

blackjack60 wrote:

"But when predicting the quality of an upcoming television show, is it really so unfair to look at a station's past programs?"

Yes, because MTV only just started showing scripted dramas, and they're bringing in outside talent to make them. Saying a show will suck just because of the network it's on is short-sighted, especially since it ignores the influence of the the show's creative staff. The producer of Teen Wolf is the guy who did Criminal Minds, not an MTV hack who supervised Teen Mom. And the kissable werewolf is only one type of three werewolves--you'll still get your bloodthirsty monster werewolf.

My point exactly.

... "The other werewolf shows and movies have werewolves you could pet. We wanted to have one you could kiss."

... *facepalm*

I like the mythos the show is setting up. mirroring a werewolf's evolution to that of adolescence it seems. I appreciate the concept, and I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt.  But I also slightly agree with the above post. Obviously the main character is going to be this "kissable" werewolf so I know it'll be forefront, but I hope the presence of these beta and omega werewolves are also at the forefront and this doesn't become some twilight wannabe with werewolves playing the vampire role

You're awfully sure about how you're going to react for someone who hasn't  seen even a minute of footage. If you can make up your mind so far in advance, perhaps you shouldn't bother watching. It might disturb your preset irritation.

Yes, it's a good idea to be cautious. But it is also a good idea not to grow so much expectations on recent werewolf films. I mean, two or three years ago I was sure that now was going to be the time or "werewolf renassaince", where we could watch movies or series at the level of 1981 (say AAWIL and Howling). But I was wrong. From time to time there is some interesting stuff, but just the independent and low budget directors seem to work in the right direction.

Reptile wrote:

Who? What people? Markone? For all I know he's one of those crazies who thinks the Vampire Diaries is good.

First of all, I'm not one of those crazies. Do NOT lump me in that category. Ever.

Second, I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen in the panel. For all I know, the remaining show could suck eggs. Or it could not. That's all I'm saying.

Reptile wrote:

Oh, I see what you did thar. My words came back to haunt me. Have a cookie.

I prefer cookies that aren't dripping with condescension, so no thank you.

See? It's not fun when other people do it to you, is it?

Truth be told, it's amusing to see it done that mechanically.

Who? What people? Markone? For all I know he's one of those crazies who thinks the Vampire Diaries is good.

As MarkOne noted, he isn't, and if you have to use character assassination to prove your point, you might want to re-examine it. For what it's worth, an article like http://blastr.com/2010/08/teen-wolf-yes-teen-wolf-a.php seems representative of the press/fan reaction so far. Perhaps you might wish to go hunting for other ones to disprove it. Until then, it seems far more sound to trust people who've actually seen the footage rather than someone ranting on and on about how much it will likely suck because they don't like the network.

History has shown us that cuddly werewolves suck. Kissable werewolves sounds like the next step in the evolution of their pussification...

The pilot episode features a girl violently murdered by a werewolf, which should be enough to indicate that we'll almost certainly get violent, monstrous werewolves. I realize that might get in the way of your ranting, but oh well.

Blackjack, I have a feeling that you and I are going to get along famously. ^Sarcasm, lol.

Actually, if it takes you over a week to respond we probably won't get much getting on done.

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well I say it looks good. tyler hoechlin's character is supposed to practically be a beta werewolf right? he looked pretty "beast" like in that quick shot, and they talk up the beta and omega werewolves being more monster like so I remain optimistic. it does seem that the more we see and hear about this show the more they actually may be on a form of the right track

New trailer here: http://io9.com/5690936/mtvs-teen-wolf-t … ats-on-amc

There's a teeny snippet of TF footage, and apparently his final look is going to be slightly less wolfy than Henry Hull. The plot looks like pure cheese "Oh no, the big party is on the night of the full moon! And my girlfriend's dad is a werewolf hunter!" *sad trombone*

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blackjack60 wrote:

I prefer cookies that aren't dripping with condescension, so no thank you.

Well, it is an acquired taste. I've been swallowing it from you since you dropped in.

Truth be told, it's amusing to see it done that mechanically.

I aim to please.

As MarkOne noted, he isn't, and if you have to use character assassination to prove your point, you might want to re-examine it.

It was hardly meant to be character assassination. I'd never interacted with Markone before, why should I have taken his opinion at face value?

For what it's worth, an article like http://blastr.com/2010/08/teen-wolf-yes-teen-wolf-a.php seems representative of the press/fan reaction so far.

Ignoring the fact that it's from a site I've never been on, this article really doesn't tell me much I don't already know. Three types of werewolves, DARKER AND SEXIER, underwear model cast, DARKIER AND SEXIER, they're using the tired "schlub finding his potential" storyline, DARKER AND SEXIER, edgier, DARKER AND SEXIER.

So yeah, it had plenty of info, albeit most of it was stuff I was already aware of. In fact, I think this was the subject of a post on Werewolf News a while back. But again, I'm going to take their opinion with a grain of salt. A lot of people were pretty impressed with what they were seeing from the advertising campaigns of Avatar, Transformers, Stargate Universe, The Event, Force Unleashed and other media that turned out to be disappointing. (Or otherwise downright abysmal.)

So yeah, I'll take the facts about the series and leave Blastr's gushing over it at the door.

Perhaps you might wish to go hunting for other ones to disprove it.

Well, does Werewolf News count? The boys over there don't seem to pleased with it.

Until then, it seems far more sound to trust people who've actually seen the footage rather than someone ranting on and on about how much it will likely suck because they don't like the network.

Three things:

One, you're trotting out this old pony again? Really?

Two, I don't care if people trust me or not as I don't need to have my opinions constantly validated by people I barely know on a forum full of people who don't like me anyway. Contrary to what you likely believe, the Internet, this site, and Teen Wolf are not serious business, and I do not consider them such.

Also, to save you the trouble of asking me why I'm even bothering: Amusement. My own. I visit this forum and am participating in this verbal weenie wagging contest with you in my free time and to allow myself to vent and discuss (argue about) my own interests at my own leisure, and spout off my opinions (popular or not) in my own way. It is most certainly not to gain prestige among people I'll never meet face to face who have no impact on my life away from the screen.  Is that a proper enough rundown of my motivations for you? Lord knows I've been asked to bare my soul enough times by other Internet tightwads who think they're better than me enough that it's beginning to become annoying.

Three, I've seen the trailer. I'm still of the opinion it'll probably suck. You can lay the "YOU'VE NEVER SEEN EVEN A MINUTE OF FOOTAGE, RETARD!" spiel to rest now.

The pilot episode features a girl violently murdered by a werewolf, which should be enough to indicate that we'll almost certainly get violent, monstrous werewolves.

I never said we wouldn't, I'm simply lamenting the lost opportunity of a gory curbstomp battle in favor of the violent, monstrous werewolves.

Not that it has anything to do with the point was refering to, which seemed to be you attacking my reasons for not liking the cuddlewolves.

I realize that might get in the way of your ranting, but oh well.

I do wonder if you've seen the trailer. I realize it may get in the way of you talking to me like I'm a moron but oh well. Can't say I'm not curious.

Actually, if it takes you over a week to respond we probably won't get much getting on done.

I have been known to disappear from the forums for weeks at a time. But I'll endeavour to be more prompt for your sake, Blackjack.



(No I won't.)