wolve are not stupid....

Yes thank you Shadow Trail that my entry is about a god of my ancestry. I have always loved myths and yes Zeus can turn himself and others into pretty much anything he wants to.  I am a wolf therian, thus the interest in this particular article from my history. Please while I do not accept you or anyone else to agree it is by any means interesting to anybody else, I do ask that you do not make such short standing of my ancestors gods and/or wolves. The non domesticated canid  is not a power animal it is a pack animal and is as intelligent, no matter how you quantify that, as it needs to be. Wolves are not out there to outsmart other animals but to survive. While I do have to applaud on you choices of groups for there variety, you also chose the other half of my ancestry. I ask that you remember there are all sorts of people out there.

Thank you but no, my family has been in the USA for 400 years and it has worn down the legends till they started converting to Christianity. All we know is what is discovered or told to us.

Vindicator wrote:

Sorry to bring this portion of the topic back, but I had to express my two sense.   

As for the intelligence of Wolves, vs other creatures, I would suggest reading a book on animal behavior as the notions that  Shadow Tail discuss are simply the personification of creatures within human mythologies, and tales, such as Grimm's Fairytales and can't protest anything to the intelligence of the actual living animal.   

Also recently I was reading some articles and a book (Of Wolves and Men) that expressed how Wolves are in someways have similar to humans than even our closest biological relatives, the Chimpanzees, as they have shockingly similar social systems, an example of which is their hunting system which is exactly the system used by humans before firearms.

Hey im allways eager to discus this topics too (real animal inteligence. Maybe you should open a new thread for this? Im not really sure where this should go :p)
The most scientific book about this i ever read is >> Animal Minds
And not long ago very good essay about animal inteligence was published  in Times >> you can read it Here

I never read "Of Wolves and Man" cos it was not released here -.-' Sound interesting

Vindicator wrote:

ShadowTrail wrote:

UlfrAndi wrote:

wolve are not stupid....

Sorry UlfrAndi i dont want to offend you or anybody else. I was bit in a hurry, and use some wrong words.
But face it wolves are never shown as smart, cunning and inteligent animals, like  foxes, coyotes, raven and owl are.
Wolf is rather a "power" type animal, belongs more to berserker or warrior then tribe wiseman. So when wolves are not stupid (as totem, myths and IRL) , they are easly outsmarted by others animals. Hope this clarify something

Sorry to bring this portion of the topic back, but I had to express my two sense.   

As for the intelligence of Wolves, vs other creatures, I would suggest reading a book on animal behavior as the notions that  Shadow Tail discuss are simply the personification of creatures within human mythologies, and tales, such as Grimm's Fairytales and can't protest anything to the intelligence of the actual living animal.   

Also recently I was reading some articles and a book (Of Wolves and Men) that expressed how Wolves are in someways have similar to humans than even our closest biological relatives, the Chimpanzees, as they have shockingly similar social systems, an example of which is their hunting system which is exactly the system used by humans before firearms.

i didn't know that, but there's a documentary that i think history or discovery channel did called "And man made dog" and it starts out about wolves and humans being linked.  i didn't get to see it, but i can def check the book that u read